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[The Cool]

so in the stack of gates arranged vertically over johns houe
the second from the bottom
is NOT "john's second gate"

correct?

...

so is it the output of a return node?
i guess that would make sense...
but then why build your house all the way...
not to ascend through your gates (since those are apparently scattered throughout the land), but simply not to fall to your death?

[Legendary]

It is the output of Jade's second gate. The third from the bottom is her third gate. The next two are Dave's fourth and fifth; the final two are Rose's. A server builds the house not to avoid the client's death but to avoid the deaths of everyone else, including him or herself.

[immortius]

This seems to be missed a bit, but you aren't restricted to entering gates in order are you? There's nothing stopping a John from entering gate 2 on his planet to get to Rose's, then gate 2 on Rose's planet to get to Daves, etc?

[The Cool]

that depends on wether roses gate two actually leads to daves house
we know gate four does from daves explanation so it depends on how the gate progression goes anyway

[Teshik]

Um, look again. Specifically here: Google LOWAS. The Second Gate is WAY away from John's house. He doesn't just go up. The nodes are for easy access to the alchemiters and other things that give players new weapons and other items. There's probably a lot of them, probably placed at regular intervals along the planet surface.

I stand corrected. That's what I get for only skimming the archive long enough to think my specific point is proven

This seems to be missed a bit, but you aren't restricted to entering gates in order are you? There's nothing stopping a John from entering gate 2 on his planet to get to Rose's, then gate 2 on Rose's planet to get to Daves, etc?

You aren't exactly restricted, as John and Terezi have proven with his 7th gate. But it also showed (and I think we should at least consider it in a way during our own implementation) skipping six gates while being seriously underlevelled is kind of a baaaad idea.

Anyway. I think we have several options to choose, and we do have the option of switching the gates around during alpha phase if we notice it's bullshit.

To recap: Some points are consensus for the gates by now:

- There are seven gates above each player's house in the medium
- the seventh's gate leads the player to his/her Denizen
- there is a mechanism in the gates allowing players to visit the other Player Planets
- there are other gates besides the seven (return nodes and the like, and maybe even
- implicit, but in the game logic: since the number of players is not fixed, we need a mechanic that works for differently-sized sessions. Also: When the next in the player chain enters the medium, the gate mechanism changes to accomodate the new player (otherwise: if you try to enter a gate to, say, your server player's server player, who hasn't even connected yet, you'd be sent to Nirvana, since the planet doesn't exist yet, and the game can't know you're playing with three players).

Everything beyond those parameters isn't even that big a deal - pick a mechanism that meets the requirements above, add some sprinkling, and presto, since there's no "better" or "worse" here.

[Legendary]

It should be noted that "the seventh gate above the player's house leads to their Denizen" isn't necessarily true, I just realized. John went through that gate before Jade entered, and I believe Hussie has stated that players who aren't in yet are skipped. So at the time John's set up was: "LOWAS->LOLAR->LOLAR->LOHAC->LOHAC->LOWAS->Denizen", since there was no LOFAF. The way Hussie has stated it works canonically is that John would go through the seventh gate of Jade's house to reach his Denizen. Just a note.

[darkDetective]

Alright, I think this is one of those positions where it is better to not go canon just for the mechanics of multiple players. Don't forget, we aren't a game older than the universe itself that instantly creates mechanics to fit its users. XD

I think gate progression should be like this, which would also make sense to an extent for the troll canon, since obviously the human gate canon doesn't work with that.

1 = "dungeon" location in the world of said gate
2 = move to server players house
3 = move to players house on the server you host
4 = location of legendary weapon
5 = denizen

1 -> 2 -> 1 -> 3 -> 1 -> 4 -> 5

This would make it simple to travel between worlds, rather than a complicated arrow map that none of the new players will remember. It also accounts for the fact that those at the beginning of the chain will most likely not reach gate 4 by the time those at the end of the chain ascend. We will put in counter measures such as time limits or super bosses right before the gate if someone is building up too fast.
It also gives the players a place to find their legendary item. I think it makes sense that they would find it near the end but before reaching their denizen.
The standard "dungeons" wouldn't actually be dungeons, they would just be a place in said world that gives clues to the world's lore, and allow for a place to gain grist, experience, boonbucks, and equipment. An alternate way to do it is make 4 a connection to another chain, but I feel that would be better served if they maybe built that as a portal. That means they could connect whenever they wanted to as long as they had the grist.

Comments, questions, concerns?

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